tue|16o3	subject: the hidden message in 2 price options.	wrote: CreaMD
The Party is 3-day, come on Friday! ;-)

tue|16o3	subject:	wrote: F6
Busy: asi tak, ze me ten rozdil 2 eur vubec nezabije :)

tue|16o3	subject: Crazy compos etc.	wrote: Wotnau's Forever PR
Yes, the party place and everything... We want to make it up to you at least through a good party, and as far as I'm concerned, also a good programme. If you haven't noticed yet, all the crazy compos are announced at Forever Party News, http://forever.c64.sk/ And there are more to come in the following days, stay tuned!

tue|16o3	subject: ZX demo for Forever2010	wrote: YERZMYEY/H-PRG^AY_R
OK then, our ZX demo is READY AND SENT! ;) 48k forever! ;)

tue|16o3	subject:	wrote: F6
nejak to uteklo, uz se jenom 3x vyspim a je forever :)

tue|16o3	subject: Vstupne	wrote: Busy
To s tym vstupnym 13 a 15 eur je riadne mazane :)

sat|13o3	subject: re: party place	wrote: F6
OK, sorry for that rude words. Will be happy for everything. Just try to prepare more tables. There was almost no space for all last year. I hope my car will be ready (I had accident and it's broken, having service). If not, I can't come for the whole time.

sat|13o3	subject: creamd@c64.sk	wrote: Roman
F6: Ellvis was checking every potential place but without luck. So we again ended up with this backup place.

sat|13o3	subject: mapa	wrote: w1k
a existuje nejaka mapka toho miesta? aby som vedel, ako sa tam zo zeleznicnej stanice dostat?

sat|13o3	subject: re: party place	wrote: F6
jestli to je fakt, tak to se na to muzu uplne vysrat a nikam nejezdit, protoze to misto fakt stalo za hovno. meli na to celej rok, to v trencine neni jeden volny poradny (=kultivivany) sal?

fri|12o3	subject: re: party place	wrote: LHS
ikon - no ty vole, to si snad delas prdel, ne? Tak to pronajmete i s kucharkou, at nam aspon nekdo vari.

fri|12o3	subject: re: party place	wrote: ikon
Ellvis (unoficially) confirmed party place. It will be the same building and room as last year - the school canteen not far from (former) Somer Club.

tue|o9o3	subject: party place	wrote: sqward
Hi Guys, what about the party place ? It would help to keep my peace of mind if that was already known. Cheers, Sqward.

tue|o9o3	subject: Setec Astronomy	wrote: Pepax
odsud - www.setec.org

tue|o9o3	subject: Setec Astronomy	wrote: Pepax
Neni to nekdo odsud?

sun|o7o3	subject: naklady	wrote: SUDi
v članku INTRO na samotnom spode piše o cene vstupenky : :: outro the entrance fee is 13 € for all 3 days. making the party full from very beginning mean, that we will ask for 15 € from Saturday morning! so, come for all 3 days to have a cheaper party! girls will have free entrance.

sun|o7o3	subject: náklady	wrote: Tom M.
kde se dočtu co to stojí?

tue|o2o3	subject:	wrote: SUDi
možno su to mimozemščania :) chcu prisť si pozrieť vyvinutu technologiu :)

thu|24o2	subject:	wrote: F6
Prosim vas kdo je to ten wilch a Trogg / Setec Astronomy / UK???

thu|24o2	subject: otazka na dumpovanie	wrote: w1k
ozaj hoci, donesiem na forever atari s napalenymi cartami priamo v epromkach.. prepina sa to cez spinac na kryte atari.. nepomohol by mi niekto s ulozenim tych cartov na disk(etu)? su to raritne veci z atari klubov tlmace a martin..

sun|21o2	subject: Interview about 8-bit by CSSR	wrote: DigiLab AVU
http://monkeyontheorb.org/8-bit/309

fri|19o2	subject: Re: miesto	wrote: mikezt
Cakame na definitivne potvrdenie haly. Ak to nevyjde (skusenosti z predchadzajucich rocnikov), mame v zalohe dalsie miesta a preto chceme uverejnit miesto konania, az to bude definitivne.

wed|11o2	subject: miesto	wrote: viktormt
takisto by ma zaujimalo miesto, kde sa to bude konat.. organizatori by mohli viac komunikovat

wed|o4o2	subject: party place	wrote: SUDi
chcem sa spytať či nááhodou už viete zhruba kde sa bude konať žurka? :)

tue|o2o2	subject: hi.New to the forum	wrote: debbiemcleen
hi Just signed up on the forum this is a good place

wed|28o1	subject: 50 days	wrote: eL aI eS iU
50 days and counting

mon|2812	subject: Party place	wrote: CreaMD
F6. Acording to Ellvis we have 3 partyplaces pre-negotiated meanwhile. He will finalize that in January I suppose.

mon|2812	subject: party place	wrote: F6
Btw. is the party place known already?

tue|2212	subject: Factor6	wrote: CreaMD
Factor6 is one of the best nicks I have heard. I love your nick.

tue|2212	subject: Cactus	wrote: F6
I also like Cactus more. I wanted to change my nick many years ago, but it was stupid idea, because all people know me under nick Factor6. And if I changed it, it would change my "identity" a little bit. Factor6 is quite stupid nick, I think. But I let it be.

tue|2212	subject: 4x OS atari	wrote: viktormt
if I get on forever, what is 70% sure, I 'il their revised atari (4X OS) - ramcopy, dos2.5 by atari klub martin (sk), q-meg, etc..

mon|2112	subject: to mikezt	wrote: Ilmenit
Thanks for the change. We are preparing a little Atari game, that should make the other platforms envy ;)

tue|1512	subject: to Ilmenit	wrote: mikezt
I changed it and I'm curious about the game :-)

mon|1412	subject:	wrote: Ilmenit
To the admin - could you change my entry on the visitors page? I forgot the pass :) and my contribution is not the demo, but the "other" (a game). I was mislead by the checkbox placement - it's a standard that checkboxes are on the left, not on the right...

sun|2911	subject: To be honest...	wrote: Wotnau
Well, actually... As far as I know, DJ Gruby is still the former Cactus/Samar but JTR and I have always thought Cactus was a much better nick so from time to time (almost always) we joke on this topic. This mustabin one of those times.

sun|2911	subject: DJ Cactus	wrote: Wotnau
Maybe D-Magic? :)

fri|2711	subject: "DJ Gruby and Cactus?"	wrote: jason and vicky
That's some multiply. 2 years ago DJ Gruby and Cactus was one person. Magic?

fri|2o11	subject: to jason and vicky	wrote: F6
But the compo machine is Spectrum 128. Not PC/Mac/PSP.

tue|1711	subject: F6	wrote: jason and vicky
For 48K demos, they work on PC and MAC too. And even on Sony PSP.

fri|o21o	subject: Missing photos added	wrote: booker
Hi Added some missing photos from SUDi, Mr.Mat, Killer and Miras http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/kontonafoty/ForeverXBySUDi# http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/kontonafoty/ForeverXByMrMat# http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/kontonafoty/ForeverXByKillerAndMiras#

tue|14o7	subject: Forever twitter launched	wrote: Roman (CreaMD/Dmagic
I've launched a twitter feed for Forever party at http://www.twitter.com/for8ver It will be frequently updated news feed for all things related to Forever party. I'll give access to other organisers. We'll update it collaboratively. Follow us to get the fresh info about forever.

thu|22o4	subject: for LHS	wrote: visitor
To je skoda, ze sme nehodili rec. Ano, na Eurobota sme chodili, takze sme sa tam urcite videli, preto ma mrzi, ze sme sa na Forever party nespoznali. Snad nabuduce. Idete aj na tento rocnik EB?

mon|23o3	subject: hey,...	wrote: CreAMD
Lisu. Was nice to booze with you on thursday. Friday morning was a bit worse, but I have forgiven you now ;-).

sun|22o3	subject: Thanks!	wrote: eL aI eS iU
Thanks for a great party and congratulation on winning "find-a-partyplace compo" :-) I'm happy I could spend almost 5 nice days in Trencin and I'm happy that I managed to get the 2nd place in the Atari Music Compo (even thou one of guys forgot to submit his votesheet - had he submitted the sheet I would've won by 2 points :-D ) Hope to see you again soon (if not in July, prolly in March next year) Thanks once again!

thu|18o3	subject: no more compos please!	wrote: F6
I don't have time to make ZX music, ZX gfx, Atari gfx, and even sometimes C64 music and gfx entry. So, no more extra compos, please! For 48K demos, they work on 128K too. One can put in there a message saying "Hey, this demo works on ZX 48K!". And it can increase voting for this demo. SID sound compo - hm, although there is no editor on Speccy for this (one must own Atari ST or its emulator) and there is no easy way how to play it unless you're smart programmer and you time your own sidsound player, it's senseless. Pure AY has still many possibilities. And what about C64 users, who don't have speaker? They could feel second-rated. Digital music - hm, if so, it would have to be separate compo for all three platforms. No synthesis alowed, just samples. But, who really wants this? I love synthesis and sound generators :) If I want to listen digital music, I go to Amiga party.

thu|18o3	subject: more music compos	wrote: ellvis
well, maybe some exotic music competitions can have own place (apart from the main happening) somewhere at the side of party place. but we're not big enough to do it - it will be a matter of 4 people there. at this moment it look to me like a divide of the organisation. on the other side, rules are up on the scene organisers, i am here just to say my own opinion.

thu|18o3	subject: Re: some thoughts	wrote: MISTER BEEP
>I'll probably look like negative or backward person, here's my view: --------- Oh, you don't. Not you. 1. Well, that's what I thought more/less (I mean: not too many demos). Although the situation with compatibility is another matter and is very close to C=64 / C=128 but another machine is "almost dead". No prob. 2. >We have 3 scenes and time for music competitions are quite long >(understand that this is very subjective, for you as musician it can be >very short time, but for musically deaf programmer it can be very long >time). ----------- Yeah, that's what also I thought. However this situation isn't as easy as previous point because there is no sense for Z80 musicians to make music for totally different chip (AY) but actually there are maybe 4 of us now so somehow I feel you're kind of right. 3. >Not to add another compo, but extend rules in music competiton for >any method of creating sound (so, not just samples but for example >digisid routine). But I'm not sure if this is step forward. -------------- Maybe that's a solution. I don't know. SidSound mode is OK too, btw. >It's cool you let us know what we are doing wrong ;-) -------------- I wasn't even _close_ to it. Just was wondering about people abandoned on 8bit scene, that's all. :) Thanks for your time.

thu|18o3	subject: Re: some thoughts	wrote: mikezt
Hello Mr. Beep, I'll probably look like negative or backward person, here's my view: 1. Why to do it? What will be positive effect of this step? I think there are not so many demogroups on the scene that are able to fit 2 competitions (it's 6 demos!). ZX Spectrum 128k is closely 100% compatible with 48k version so it's no problem to present 48k demo in the 128k competition (and as you probably noticed we have mixed beep in the sound output too). 2. Teoretically is no problem to repeat the competition. This year noone made any speaker music. But there's one thing here, I don't want to put it into the main competitons time. We have 3 scenes and time for music competitions are quite long (understand that this is very subjective, for you as musician it can be very short time, but for musically deaf programmer it can be very long time). 3. I'm thinking about this too. Not to add another compo, but extend rules in music competiton for any method of creating sound (so, not just samples but for example digisid routine). But I'm not sure if this is step forward. Anyway, thank you for feedback. It's cool you let us know what we are doing wrong ;-) mike

thu|18o3	subject: creamd@c64.sk	wrote: Roman
In my opinion, extension of number of the compos is way to hell. We should rather extend the rules of the compo to accept differences that are acceptable. E.g. music compo allowing both analog and digital (sampled) stuff.. is possible. Not allways digital sounds will assure you the highest place anyway. I like covers but I would rather disallow covers in compos ;-) (we don't have them in C64 music compo ;-). As for covers this is only exceptiong where I would be willing to have separate compo (but mixed for all 3 plattforms). I mean. if you do cover.. the plattform doesn't matter. So for single plattforms there would be "original composition" music compos +1 more music compo for all covers for any plattform. As for other categories. I think it's best working when you have traditional compos and fixed ammount of them. PC parties suffer from the every little stupid compo you can imagine and when they think about optimizing they usually cut the ammount of oldschool plattform categories or mix them together. I don't want us to go that way. GFX, MSX, INTRO, DEMO (+mixed wild, and mixed realtime) always worked the best, people should invest their time to do that, not to waste their time on some new categories.

thu|18o3	subject: some thoughts	wrote: MISTER BEEP
Hi there. Some thought are arriving: 1) You could consider splitting cathegories into "Spectrum 128 demo" and "Spectrum 48 demo", like advised guys from C=16 on POUET. Well, it's just a thought anyway (sometimes there are too small number of production of course). 2) Last year "Z80 music compo" was a cool idea. Maybe it could be revived. Although I'm not sure if it's a good idea for multiplatform party; I'm just thinking loudly. ;) 3) I think you could try to add "digital music AY compo" apart from the standard 50hz. Well, I don't know, just thought. Greetings.

tue|17o3	subject: pics	wrote: FLQ
I have also uploaded my photos: http://members.chello.at/wachenroeder/

tue|17o3	subject: Photos	wrote: krupkaj
Thanks for great party to all organisers. I have just uploaded photos with Pepax's comments from party to my web. http://krupkaj.ic.cz/ForeverNeXt

tue|17o3	subject: Crazy creations	wrote: Wotnau
Splatterpunk: And you don't even know that originally we planned that I'd be a crossover between Gillian Thunderhead (the dwarf from Golden Axe) and Fox Mulder (X-Files), as we wanted to name the party "The Golden X-Files". CreaMD: Thanks for standing up for my defense. But you forgot about two most important things: the teplaky and the parrot. :) Anyway, the craziest creation of the party was the scene from Show It when PCH+CreaMD were showing Rocky Horror (and Sad guessed it correctly and fast).

tue|17o3	subject: 4 visitor	wrote: LHS
Sakra to je skoda, ze k tomuto doslo. Ja si pamatuju, ze jste byli i u nas v rohu (u C64), ale nevedel jsem o koho se jedna. S Visacem uz par let chodime na souteze Eurobot (na jeden rocnik Visac sestavil i robota). Ale co pise CreamD je pravda, z toho rocniku si jeste pamatuju, jak se prismahnuty a odbarveny "sotvapubertacky" snazily plazit po navstevnicich z Nemecka.

tue|17o3	subject: Re: Results fix	wrote: ellvis
Factor6, we know better how your music is called! :)

tue|17o3	subject: Results fix	wrote: F6
My ZX Spectrum music is called TAIO BYTE (not TAITO) :) TAIO corresponds with the length of compiled song in bytes, which is 7410 (decimal). 7=T, 4=A, 1=I, 0=O :)

mon|16o3	subject: quick english explanation..	wrote: Roman
The dude complaints about one of the organizers (probably me) who have been arrogant at the dudes (5) students of the schools (members of the robotics circle which resides in the basement under the staircase right next to the party place). I'm, explaining why I have thrown two people out (based on the bad experience with Forever 2 (maybe some of you remember)). I'm also explaining that noone told us about the dude from robotics circle being allowed to use the toilets at our place and also that we have negotiated that the door next to toilets will be closed (later I've managed to have them open because we needed the space for sleeping room there). I'm apologising.

mon|16o3	subject: party rules	wrote: SplAtterpunk
Big Thanks for the organizers, great job! It was definitely worth to be there. And, indeed, Wotnau half-naked with his sword and his fantastic voice did a great contribution :-)

mon|16o3	subject: mily visitor...	wrote: Roman
Ak mas problem so sebaironiou, parodovanim a recesiou tak uz radsej na podobne akcie ani nechod. --- If you have problem with selfirony, parody and humor better don't visit this kind of actions again. ;-) p.s.: wotnau is really cute, half naked with plastic sword in a hand... yummm ;-)

mon|16o3	subject: Thanks!	wrote: raster/c.p.u.
Velke podekovani organizatorum za vyreseni katastrofalniho problemu s odpadnutym domluvenym prostorem a uskutecneni Foreveru X. Diky diky diky! Taktez diky vsem navstevnikum za pratelskou atmosferu. :-)

mon|16o3	subject: quickly put togehter results for C64	wrote: CreaMD
http://www.c64.sk/imagepool/f10/forever-10-compo-results.txt

mon|16o3	subject: Atari results and releases	wrote: -XI-/Satantronic
Official Atari results and stuff you can find at: http://atari.sk/ or http://forever.atari.sk/ (with screenshots) Thanx to all visitors and organizers for great party.

sun|15o3	subject: some of photos	wrote: mikezt
You can get at http://www.zeroteam.sk/tmp/foreverX.zip some of our photos [51 MB].

sun|15o3	subject: Forever 10	wrote: DJ Gruby/Oxyron
Thank you for this great party! You did amazing job! Thank you!

sun|15o3	subject: ZX Spectrum stuff download!	wrote: F6
Finally, I got a link for the official ZX Spectrum results and stuff. It's in this article: http://zxm.speccy.cz/index.php?clanek=432

sun|15o3	subject: Big thanx!	wrote: F6
I must thank the organizers for a great party. Even there was a huge problem with Merina party place (occured on Friday, they canceled the party hall reservation), the organisers did great work that they were able to get another room in the building nearby. Without this all the Forever neXt would be cancelled. I think is was a great example of 'what could happen and nobody expects it'. Also thanks for nice organization, there were common problems with setting up compo machines but they finally made it. As always, it was a nice party and I hope Forever will happen next year again!

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